• 01 December 2017 (3 messages)
  • @ajithpv #5188 04:12 AM, 01 Dec 2017
    Is there any way to remove this IRC notifications such as joined and left messages?
  • @syamcr ↶ Reply to #5188 #5189 04:21 AM, 01 Dec 2017
    👍🏾
  • @mujeebcpy ↶ Reply to #5188 #5190 04:24 AM, 01 Dec 2017
    https://t.me/telematrix

    THis is the Dev group of that bot. ask there
  • 02 December 2017 (1 messages)
  • @stultus #5191 04:00 PM, 02 Dec 2017
  • 03 December 2017 (1 messages)
  • @finnyfound #5192 04:09 AM, 03 Dec 2017
    Join the @wordpressdevs community
  • 04 December 2017 (5 messages)
  • @nambolan #5195 05:39 PM, 04 Dec 2017
    Can everyone install FF Nightly in Mobile as well as desktop and set language to malayalam?
  • @nambolan #5196 05:39 PM, 04 Dec 2017
    And send me feedbacks?
  • @nambolan #5197 05:39 PM, 04 Dec 2017
    We will include the feedbacks till Jan 2.
  • @nambolan #5198 05:39 PM, 04 Dec 2017
    (Also we need to increase the usage for Malayalam version. So even if you don't want to raise issues, please install FF, set language as malayalam and enable telemetry.)
  • @nambolan #5199 05:55 PM, 04 Dec 2017
    Take a look at "Firefox Nightly for Developers"
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.mozilla.fennec_aurora
  • 05 December 2017 (13 messages)
  • @ranjithkb #5200 07:31 AM, 05 Dec 2017
    Ubuntu 17.10 ൽ മലയാളം ഫൊണറ്റിക് കീബോഡ് വഴി ടൈപ് ചെയ്യാനുള്ള ഗൗഡ് എവിടേലും ഉണ്ടോ?
  • @mujeebcpy ↶ Reply to #5200 #5201 07:32 AM, 05 Dec 2017
    Venel inn undakkam
  • @ranjithkb ↶ Reply to #5201 #5202 07:32 AM, 05 Dec 2017
    തരാമോ. ചെയ്യാൻ നോക്കീട്ട് പറ്റുന്നില്ല
  • @mujeebcpy #5203 07:32 AM, 05 Dec 2017
    Oh phonatic aarnno.. ath ibus or fcitix install chytha mathi
  • @ranjithkb ↶ Reply to #5203 #5204 07:33 AM, 05 Dec 2017
    ഐ ബസ്സിൽ മൊഴിയോ സ്വനലേഖയോ കാണുന്നില്ലല്ലോ
  • @ranjithkb #5205 07:33 AM, 05 Dec 2017
    Input Methods l
  • @mujeebcpy ↶ Reply to #5204 #5206 07:35 AM, 05 Dec 2017
    search and install
    m17n-db, m17n-contrib, ibus-m17n
  • @ranjithkb ↶ Reply to #5206 #5207 07:39 AM, 05 Dec 2017
    Kitty
  • @ranjithkb #5208 07:39 AM, 05 Dec 2017
    Thanks
  • @mujeebcpy #5209 07:40 AM, 05 Dec 2017
  • @sthottingal #5210 08:05 AM, 05 Dec 2017
    How to install and configure swanalekha in Ubuntu 14.04

    How to install and configure swanalekha input method for typing in Malayalam in Ubuntu 14.04 Package to install ibus-m17n Swanalekha input method documentation http://wiki.smc.org.in/Swanalekha

  • @ranjithkb #5211 05:37 PM, 05 Dec 2017
  • @ranjithkb ↶ Reply to #5211 #5212 05:38 PM, 05 Dec 2017
    ഇതൊഴിവാക്കാൻ വല്ല വഴീമുണ്ടോ? ബാക്ക് സ്പേസ് അടിച്ചാലേ ചില്ലക്ഷരങ്ങൾ കൃത്യമായി വരുന്നുള്ളൂ. മൊഴിയിൽ.
  • 06 December 2017 (9 messages)
  • വയനാട്ടിലെവിടെയാ?
  • @sthottingal #5216 11:57 AM, 06 Dec 2017
    Praveen, an emoji is planned to fix your name. Instead Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen, you can use that :) See https://www.unicode.org/emoji/future/emoji-candidates.html#1f3f4_200d_2620
  • @sthottingal #5217 11:58 AM, 06 Dec 2017
    ZWJ ഉപയോഗിക്കണമെന്നു മാത്രം :)
  • ഇമോജികളും ചില്ലക്ഷരങ്ങളും തമ്മിലെന്തു്?

    ഈയിടെ XKCD യിൽ വന്ന ഒരു തമാശയാണു് മുകളിൽ കൊടുത്തിരിക്കുന്നതു്. ഇമോജികളെ പരിചയമുള്ളവർക്കു കാര്യം പിടികിട്ടിക്കാണും. എന്തെങ്കിലും ആശയം പ്രകടിപ്പിക്കാനുള്ള ചെറുചിത്രങ്ങളെയും സ്മൈലികളെയുമാണു് ഇമോജികൾ …

  • @moolekkari ↶ Reply to #5215 #5219 01:38 PM, 06 Dec 2017
    Niravilpuzha
  • Ok.
  • @Aaaaanakkallan #5221 04:07 PM, 06 Dec 2017
  • @nambolan #5222 04:59 PM, 06 Dec 2017
    Does anyone use Android in Malayalam?
  • @nambolan #5223 04:59 PM, 06 Dec 2017
    We need to test something.
  • 07 December 2017 (1 messages)
  • @nambolan #5229 05:22 AM, 07 Dec 2017
    @joice കിട്ടി. ഇനി വേണ്ട.
  • 08 December 2017 (6 messages)
  • @mujeebcpy #5235 05:42 AM, 08 Dec 2017
    Jithin KayCee

    ഈ വർഷത്തെ ഫെസ്റ്റിവലിന്റെ പുസ്തകം എഡിറ്റു ചെയ്തത് ഞങ്ങളാണ്. ചങ്കുകൾ സംഗീത ചേച്ചി Sangeetha Chenampulli, ഹരിയേട്ടൻ Hari Narayanan, മേഘ Megha Radhakrishnan എന്നിവരുടെ ഉറക്കമില്ലാ രാത്രികളുടെ...

  • @mujeebcpy #5236 05:46 AM, 08 Dec 2017
    അങ്ങനെ ഇത്തവണത്തെ iffk മഞ്ചരിയില്‍ വന്നിരിക്കുന്നു.
    സാങ്കേതികസഹായം ചോയ്ച്ചപ്പോ നൈസായിട്ട് മഞ്ചരി ആക്കിക്കൊട്ത്ത്... 😌
  • @442703941 #5238 05:59 AM, 08 Dec 2017
    ഗൂഗിൾ ഡ്രൈവിലുള്ള OCR സംവിധാനത്തിനു പകരം വേറെ മലയാളം OCR സോഫ്റ്റ്വെയർ ലഭ്യമാണോ?!
  • @mujeebcpy ↶ Reply to #5238 #5239 06:04 AM, 08 Dec 2017
    ഇത് വരെ ഉപയോഗപ്രദമായ ഒന്നും ഇല്ല
  • @353014961 #5240 08:28 AM, 08 Dec 2017
  • @Ishikawa90 #5241 08:29 AM, 08 Dec 2017
    Cdac had one
  • 10 December 2017 (17 messages)
  • @sthottingal #5261 02:49 PM, 10 Dec 2017
    "രാവിലെ എട്ടരയ്ക്ക് അലാറം വെയ്ക്കൂ"... ഇങ്ങനെ നമ്മുടെ ഫോണിനോടു മലയാളത്തിൽ പറഞ്ഞാൽ അനുസരിക്കുന്ന ഒരു കാലമാണ് വരാൻ പോകുന്നതു്. "ഏതുവർഷമാണ് ഗാന്ധിജി ജനിച്ചതു്" എന്നു ചോദിച്ചാൽ മലയാളത്തിൽ തന്നെ "ആയിരത്തിയെണ്ണൂറ്ററുപത്തൊമ്പതിൽ" എന്നു ശബ്ദമായി പറഞ്ഞുതരുന്ന കാലം.

    നമ്മളവിടെ എത്തിയിട്ടില്ല. അതിനു മലയാളത്തിനു് കുറച്ചുകൂടി മുന്നോട്ടുപോവാനുണ്ട്. അതിലൊന്ന് ഈ "എട്ടര" എന്ന വാക്കിൽ നിന്നും 8.30 എന്ന സമയസംബന്ധിയായ അക്കങ്ങൾ മനസ്സിലാക്കിയെടുക്കലാണ്. അതുപോലെ തിരിച്ച് 1869 നെ ആയിരത്തിയെണ്ണൂറ്ററുപത്തൊമ്പതു് എന്ന വാക്കുരൂപത്തിലാക്കലും. മലയാളത്തിൽ അക്കങ്ങളെ വാക്കുരൂപത്തിലും വാക്കിലുള്ളതിനെ അക്കത്തിലാക്കാനും കമ്പ്യൂട്ടറിനെ എങ്ങനെ പഠിപ്പിച്ചെടുക്കാം എന്നു ചിന്തിച്ചിട്ടുണ്ടോ? അത്ര എളുപ്പമല്ല സംഗതി. ഇംഗ്ലീഷിനൊക്കെ Nineteen ninety nine എന്നു പറഞ്ഞാൽ മതി, നമുക്കതു് ആയിരത്തിത്തൊള്ളായിരത്തിത്തൊണ്ണൂറ്റൊമ്പത് ആണ്.

    ഈ പ്രശ്നത്തിന്റെ പരിഹാരമുണ്ടാക്കാനുള്ള ശ്രമം ഏകദേശം വിജയിച്ചിട്ടുണ്ട്. ഞാൻ കുറച്ചുദിവസം മുമ്പ് ഇവിടെ പറഞ്ഞ മലയാളം മോർഫോളജി അനലൈസറിന്റെ സഹായത്തോടെ ഒരു ലക്ഷം കോടി വരെയുള്ള എല്ലാ അക്കങ്ങളെയും വാക്കുകളാക്കാനും തിരിച്ച് വാക്കുകളെ അക്കങ്ങളാക്കാനും ഇപ്പോൾ സാധിക്കും. സന്ധി നിയമങ്ങളൊക്കെ കൃത്യമായി പാലിച്ചുതന്നെ. എട്ടരയ്ക്ക് എന്നു പറഞ്ഞാൽ 8.5 എന്നാണെന്നും ഉദ്ദേശിക/Dative വിഭക്തിയാണെന്നടക്കം മനസ്സിലാക്കാൻ ഈ സിസ്റ്റത്തിനു കഴിയും.

    മലയാളം അക്കങ്ങളുടെ രൂപീകരണത്തിലെ സ്വഭാവമടക്കം ഈ സൂത്രത്തെ പരിചയപ്പെടുത്തുന്ന ലേഖനം എന്റെ ബ്ളോഗിൽ http://thottingal.in/blog/2017/12/10/number-spellout-and-generation-in-malayalam-using-morphology-analyser/
  • @valiyakath123 #5262 02:50 PM, 10 Dec 2017
    😍
  • @akshay #5263 02:56 PM, 10 Dec 2017
    കണ്ണ് വെക്കും
  • @ramesan ↶ Reply to #5261 #5264 02:56 PM, 10 Dec 2017
    👍
  • @460804319 ↶ Reply to #5261 #5265 02:57 PM, 10 Dec 2017
    ❤️❤️❤️ 🙏
  • @syamcr #5266 03:32 PM, 10 Dec 2017
    Fedora-27, KDE-ല്‍ മലയാളം ടൈപ്പ് ചെയ്യാന്‍ ചില പ്രശ്നങ്ങള്‍ കാണുന്നു. ഞാന്‍ ഉപയോഗിക്കുന്നത് ibus+സ്വനലേഖ.
  • @syamcr #5267 03:33 PM, 10 Dec 2017
    KWrite-ല്‍ ചില്ലക്ഷരങ്ങള്‍ കിട്ടുന്നില്ല. "പകല്‍" എന്ന് ടൈപ്പ് ചെയ്താല്‍ "പകല്" എന്നേ വരുന്നുള്ളൂ. ഫയര്‍ഫോക്സിലും ലിബ്രെഓഫീസിലും കുഴപ്പമില്ല
  • @ramesan ↶ Reply to #5267 #5268 03:34 PM, 10 Dec 2017
    ഉപയോഗിച്ച ഫോണ്ട് ?
  • @syamcr #5269 03:35 PM, 10 Dec 2017
    KWrite-ല്‍ മീര സെലക്റ്റ് ചെയ്തിട്ടും മാറ്റമൊന്നുമുണ്ടായില്ല.
  • @syamcr #5270 03:36 PM, 10 Dec 2017
    ഫോണ്ടിന്റെയല്ല എന്നൊരു തോന്നല്‍. Qt5 ആയി ബന്ധപ്പെട്ട എന്തോ പ്രശ്നമായിരിക്കുമോ?
  • @syamcr #5271 03:37 PM, 10 Dec 2017
    Just tested.. It works fine in Dolphin address bar and System Settings search box.
  • @ajithpv ↶ Reply to #5261 #5272 04:01 PM, 10 Dec 2017
    😍😍😍
  • @Ishikawa90 ↶ Reply to #5271 #5275 05:50 PM, 10 Dec 2017
    The text editor component?
  • @Ishikawa90 #5277 05:51 PM, 10 Dec 2017
    What are the settings for qt?
  • @Ishikawa90 #5278 05:52 PM, 10 Dec 2017
    I'm going offline
  • @Ishikawa90 #5279 05:52 PM, 10 Dec 2017
    Will text later
  • 11 December 2017 (8 messages)
  • @syamcr ↶ Reply to #5277 #5282 01:41 AM, 11 Dec 2017
    Since it works in Dolphin address bar and other Qt5 based applications like Konversation, I doubt if it's Qt related.
  • @syamcr #5283 01:42 AM, 11 Dec 2017
    I cannot type "പകല്‍" in KWrite (or Kate, both uses KatePart text component), but I can paste the same text from some other place and KWrite renders it just fine.
  • @syamcr #5284 01:45 AM, 11 Dec 2017
    Konsole can neither accept 'ല്‍' while typing nor can it render it when cat'ing a file containing that text. Both cases it shows as 'ല്'
  • @aitchnyu ↶ Reply to #5284 #5285 03:30 AM, 11 Dec 2017
    My Android renders it correctly while my Ubuntu laptop doesn't have contracted characters for the same message.
  • @Ishikawa90 #5286 04:45 AM, 11 Dec 2017
    The same font ?
  • @balasankarc #5287 05:45 AM, 11 Dec 2017
    This sounds related to non-atomic Chillu and ZWJ/ZWNJ not being detected. IIRC, Konsole didn't support it.

    @syamcr Can you try copying this to Konsole?

    പകൽ

    and

    കനല്‍
  • @balasankarc #5288 05:46 AM, 11 Dec 2017
    First one uses Atomic chillu and second one uses ZWJ
  • @atcelsius #5294 08:50 AM, 11 Dec 2017
  • 12 December 2017 (24 messages)
  • @atcelsius #5301 07:58 AM, 12 Dec 2017
  • @412175940 #5302 08:17 AM, 12 Dec 2017
    From where can I get a copy of this CD?
  • ഇന്റർനെറ്റിൽ പലയിടത്തായി‌ കിടക്കുന്ന PDF പുസ്തകങ്ങൾ ക്രോഡീകരിച്ച് ചേർക്കുകയാണ് അവർ ചെയ്തിട്ടുള്ളത്
  • *എനിക്ക് തോന്നുന്നത്
  • @aitchnyu #5305 08:43 AM, 12 Dec 2017
    Maybe it's a 50 MB file at max
  • @atcelsius ↶ Reply to #5302 #5308 10:35 AM, 12 Dec 2017
    Contact meenankil tribal HS
  • @atcelsius #5309 10:35 AM, 12 Dec 2017
  • @atcelsius #5310 10:35 AM, 12 Dec 2017
    we need something like this in malayalam
  • @atcelsius #5311 10:36 AM, 12 Dec 2017
    sorry for malayalam language
  • @428438424 #5316 01:06 PM, 12 Dec 2017
  • Its all spamming :-/
  • @syamcr ↶ Reply to #5287 #5318 01:40 PM, 12 Dec 2017
    The atomic chillu version (പകൽ) is rendered OK by Konsole.
  • @syamcr #5319 01:41 PM, 12 Dec 2017
    Anyway, I don't have much problem with Konsole not displaying text properly. But KWrite is a loss.
  • @syamcr #5320 01:44 PM, 12 Dec 2017
    And I have another problem with typing on Plasma widgets - such as desktop notes.. or even in KRunner.
    Text entry with ibus does not seem to work. It shows as switched to Swanalekha, but the text that appears is only English and not Malayalam.
  • @syamcr ↶ Reply to #5320 #5321 01:45 PM, 12 Dec 2017
    This particular problem was there in Fedora 26 also. Perhaps I am missing a package. But I can't figure out what it is.
  • @Ishikawa90 ↶ Reply to #5320 #5322 02:11 PM, 12 Dec 2017
    QT_IM_MODULE=ibus is set in your .xprofile ?
  • @syamcr ↶ Reply to #5322 #5324 02:23 PM, 12 Dec 2017
    Hopes
  • @Ishikawa90 #5325 02:27 PM, 12 Dec 2017
    :-?
  • @Ishikawa90 #5326 02:27 PM, 12 Dec 2017
    it is not there ?
  • @syamcr #5327 02:39 PM, 12 Dec 2017
    Typo.. *Nopes
  • @syamcr #5328 02:39 PM, 12 Dec 2017
    I'll try it and let you know the results
  • @Ishikawa90 #5329 03:43 PM, 12 Dec 2017
    oky
  • @Ishikawa90 #5331 03:44 PM, 12 Dec 2017
    This is a helpful document
  • 13 December 2017 (8 messages)
  • @syamcr #5333 01:28 AM, 13 Dec 2017
    QT_IM_MODULE setting also does not help
  • @Ishikawa90 #5334 03:34 AM, 13 Dec 2017
    That is strange. The Arch wiki article deals is very detailed.
  • @Ishikawa90 #5335 03:34 AM, 13 Dec 2017
    Did you go through that ?/
  • @Ishikawa90 #5336 03:35 AM, 13 Dec 2017
    I'm not using a Linux machine so I am not sure if the settings are picked up from xprofile in your machine. I'm running i3
  • You have ibus-qt (or the corresponding package in your distro) ?
  • @balasankarc #5338 04:00 AM, 13 Dec 2017
    And IIRC, we needed to set it as default using something like qtconfig-qt5
  • @syamcr ↶ Reply to #5335 #5339 05:38 AM, 13 Dec 2017
    Yes. Then environment variable is set correctly. I can echo it from a terminal.
  • @syamcr ↶ Reply to #5338 #5340 05:38 AM, 13 Dec 2017
    This I haven't tried.
  • 14 December 2017 (2 messages)
  • @akshay ↶ Reply to #5344 #5345 03:48 PM, 14 Dec 2017
    amazing thing
  • @jishnu7 ↶ Reply to #5345 #5346 04:41 PM, 14 Dec 2017
    Checkout their r/Bitcoin thread for some more info
  • 15 December 2017 (36 messages)
  • @syamcr ↶ Reply to #5337 #5347 02:00 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    This is already installed
  • @syamcr ↶ Reply to #5338 #5348 02:00 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    I don't have such a tool. Fedora repos also do not list anything similar.
  • @Ishikawa90 #5349 02:33 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    :-? This is extremely strange and frustrating
  • @syamcr ↶ Reply to #5349 #5351 06:32 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    Both issues are still unresolved: Kwrite not accepting chillu and Plasma widgets not working with ibus
  • @Ishikawa90 #5353 06:48 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    He's pretty thorough balu
  • @syamcr #5354 06:51 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    There's a package that provides qtconfig-qt4, but not for Qt5
  • @syamcr #5355 06:52 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    And web search indicates that it is not available for Qt5
  • @anivar #5356 06:52 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    Fcitx works better with kde than ibus
  • @syamcr #5357 06:53 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    Is that the recommend im tool these days?
  • @syamcr #5358 06:53 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    I came across it during some searches
  • @anivar #5359 06:53 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    Ibus is part of gnome
  • @syamcr #5360 06:57 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    Does Swanalekha work with fcitx?
  • @anivar #5361 06:57 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    Yes.
  • @syamcr #5362 06:59 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    Oh.. Then I'll definitely give it a try today.
  • @syamcr #5363 06:59 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    Thanks
  • @Ishikawa90 #5364 07:34 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    I use fcitx
  • @Ishikawa90 #5365 07:34 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    have been for a year now
  • @Ishikawa90 #5366 07:35 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    install it and install m17n packages and fcitx-m17n packages
  • @Ishikawa90 #5367 07:35 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    I don't know the name of the packages on *Linux operating systems. It works really well
  • @syamcr #5369 08:47 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    Switched to fcitx and now I'm able to type on Plasma widgets.
  • @syamcr #5370 08:47 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    Now the only remaining problem is typing chillu in KWrite/Kate
  • @Ishikawa90 #5371 08:49 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    :-? that seems like a qt problem
  • @Ishikawa90 #5372 08:49 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    fcitx relies on same environment variables
  • @syamcr #5373 08:51 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    I'm able to type "പകൽ" pretty much everywhere in KDE applications, except Kwrite & Konsole.
    It works ok in Dolphin address bar, KRunner etc and if I copy the text and paste it in KWrite, it is displayed correctly.
  • @syamcr #5374 08:51 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    Just that I'm not able to type directly in KWrite's text area
  • @syamcr #5375 08:52 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    With Konsole, even the paste doesn't work. It shows only as 'ല്'
  • @aitchnyu ↶ Reply to #5375 #5376 08:54 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    I want to learn the reason. I noticed my Android renders it fine while Ubuntu doesn't.
  • This is because Konsole doesn't support ZWJ based Chillu characters. If you want a perfect fix, you will have to edit the mim file and replace them with Atomic chillus.
  • @balasankarc #5378 08:55 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    /usr/share/m17n/*.mim file, that is
  • @syamcr ↶ Reply to #5377 #5379 08:57 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    I'm not quite bothered about Konsole. KWrite is a loss
  • @balasankarc #5380 08:57 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    @rajeeshknambiar Any idea why this happens on KWrite?
  • @mujeebcpy ↶ Reply to #5365 #5381 08:59 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    Using setxkbmap upto eerekkure one year
  • Surely a bug in KatePart or KTexteditor (or something of that sort, forgot the actual component name) on which Kate & KWrite depends
  • @rajeeshknambiar #5384 09:13 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    Filing an upstream bug would be better
  • @syamcr #5385 09:13 AM, 15 Dec 2017
    Katepart
  • 16 December 2017 (17 messages)
  • @sthottingal #5429 02:07 PM, 16 Dec 2017
    Jerin and Harish, you guys may also want to check https://gitlab.com/space-kerala/lekha-OCR/tree/lekha_under_panni - This is a project by Space Kerala
    Files · lekha_under_panni · space-kerala / lekha-OCR

    Malayalam Optical Character Recognizer Developed by space-kerala.org with ICFOSS

  • @Ishikawa90 #5432 02:47 PM, 16 Dec 2017
    I think a better method is probably writing code to render all chars you want and then use different fonts to do it
  • @Ishikawa90 #5433 02:47 PM, 16 Dec 2017
    :-?
  • @Ishikawa90 #5434 02:48 PM, 16 Dec 2017
    @sthottingal ?
  • @balasankarc #5435 02:49 PM, 16 Dec 2017
    I thought Fontforge's Encoding > Compact option showed only the glyphs expicitly drawn on a font. Maybe wrong.
  • @sthottingal #5438 02:51 PM, 16 Dec 2017
    googlei18n/fontreport

    fontreport - Tool to create PDF files containing glyph images and information about a font.

  • @sthottingal #5439 02:51 PM, 16 Dec 2017
    this can do that report with all glyphs
  • @sthottingal #5440 02:53 PM, 16 Dec 2017
    Sample for Manjari
  • @Ishikawa90 #5443 02:59 PM, 16 Dec 2017
    പിന്നല്ല! ചുമ്മാ ചോയിക്ക്
  • @Ishikawa90 #5444 02:59 PM, 16 Dec 2017
    I read your conversation with jerin
  • @Ishikawa90 #5445 02:59 PM, 16 Dec 2017
    Good effort
  • @Ishikawa90 #5446 02:59 PM, 16 Dec 2017
    Let us know and use us as reference
  • @Ishikawa90 #5448 03:04 PM, 16 Dec 2017
    Well you know there is a community here
  • @Ishikawa90 #5449 03:04 PM, 16 Dec 2017
    💪
  • @462497687 ↶ Reply to #5076 #5454 03:40 PM, 16 Dec 2017
    👍
  • @462497687 #5455 03:40 PM, 16 Dec 2017
    എത്രയും വേഗം പൂർത്തിയാവടെ
  • @sthottingal #5459 04:20 PM, 16 Dec 2017
    I would recommend contacting the developers of that project and each team aware of thers work, potential collaboration.
  • 17 December 2017 (29 messages)
  • @ranjithkb ↶ Reply to #5211 #5464 01:44 AM, 17 Dec 2017
    ഇതിന് വല്ല സൊലൂഷനും?
  • @ranjithkb #5465 01:44 AM, 17 Dec 2017
    @sthottingal ?
  • @sarathkrishnan_gs #5466 03:58 AM, 17 Dec 2017
  • @sarathkrishnan_gs #5467 03:58 AM, 17 Dec 2017
    ഞാൻ ഡെബിയൻ ആണ് യൂസ് ചെയ്യുന്നത്. എനിക്ക് ടെലഗ്രാം ൽ മാത്രം മലയാളം ടൈപ്പ് ചെയ്യാൻ പറ്റുന്നുണ്ട്
  • @sarathkrishnan_gs #5468 03:58 AM, 17 Dec 2017
    ബാക്കി എല്ലാം അപ്പ്ലിക്കേഷനിൽ ഒന്നും ടൈപ്പ് ആകുന്നില്ല
  • @sarathkrishnan_gs #5469 03:58 AM, 17 Dec 2017
    Smc ഫോണ്ട് ഒക്കെ ഇൻസ്റ്റാൾ ചെയ്തിട്ടുണ്ട്
  • മൊഴി സ്കീമിന്റെ ഫീച്ചറാണത്. ബഗ്ഗല്ല. വിശദീകരിക്കാം...
  • @sthottingal #5471 04:03 AM, 17 Dec 2017
    മൊഴിയിൽ n എന്നു ടൈപ്പു ചെയ്താൽ ചില്ലാണു വരിക. കൂടാതെ സ്പേസും വരും. വാക്ക് അവസാനിച്ചു എന്ന് മൊഴി ഗസ്സ് ചെയ്യുകയാണ്. അനുസ്വാരവും അതുപോലെത്തന്നെ. ബാക്ക് സ്പേസ് അടിക്കേണ്ട കാര്യമില്ല ടൈപ്പു ചെയ്തു തുടരാവുന്നതാണ്. അനുസ്വാരത്തിന്റെ കൂടെയുള്ള കുത്തുവട്ടം താനേ പൊയ്ക്കോളും. മൊഴിയിലെ ഈ ഫീച്ചറുകാരണം വാക്കിനു നടുവിൽ ചില്ലു ടൈപ്പു ചെയ്യാൻ ബുദ്ധിമുട്ടാറുണ്ട്. അതിനു മൊഴി സ്കീം പറയുന്നതു് n_ , m_ ഒക്കെ ഉപയോഗിക്കാനാണ്.
  • @sthottingal #5472 04:04 AM, 17 Dec 2017
    ഈ സ്വഭാവവും ta -> റ്റ ആവുന്ന സ്കീമും എനിക്കിഷ്ടമല്ലാത്തതുകൊണ്ട്, ഞാനെഴുതിയ സ്വനലേഖ സ്കീമിൽ ഇതുരണ്ടുമില്ല.
  • @sthottingal #5473 04:06 AM, 17 Dec 2017
    മൊഴിയുടെ ഈ സ്വഭാവം മനസ്സിലാക്കിയാൽ തീരാവുന്ന പ്രശ്നമേയുള്ളു. പൊതുവിൽ ഇൻപുട്ട് ടൂളുകൾ ഓവർസ്മാർട്ട് ആവരുതു് എന്ന് ഞാൻ സ്ഥിരമായി പറയുന്ന ഒരു തിയറിയാണ്. :)
  • ഐബസാണോ fcitx ആണോ?
  • @stultus ↶ Reply to #5475 #5476 05:58 AM, 17 Dec 2017
    Indic keyboard has different layouts including mozhi and swanalekha, use the one appropriate to you
  • @Ranjithsa #5477 06:14 AM, 17 Dec 2017
    The autocomplete and correction is very bad
  • @mujeebcpy #5478 06:17 AM, 17 Dec 2017
    ഇതാണ് മൊഴി ടൈപ്പുകളുടെ പ്രശ്നം. ഇൻസ്കിപ്റ്റ് രസകരം :D
  • @mujeebcpy #5479 06:18 AM, 17 Dec 2017
    മൊബൈലിൽ ഇൻസ്ക്രിപ്റ്റ് ഫ്ലുവൻ സി കിട്ടുന്നില്ല. മംഗ്ലീഷ് ആണേൽ വഴങ്ങുന്നുമില്ല
  • Keeping the grammatical complexities of autocompletion for Malayalam aside, one of the problems may be an inadequate dictionary. You can check out the current dictionary at https://github.com/androidtweak/dictionaries/blob/master/ml_wordlist.combined and help clean it up. :)
    androidtweak/dictionaries

    dictionaries - Word list with priorities. This can be used for word prediction or suggestion

  • @Ranjithsa ↶ Reply to #5480 #5483 06:35 AM, 17 Dec 2017
    OK will try it.
  • @Ranjithsa #5485 06:35 AM, 17 Dec 2017
    But basic word completion from my local personal dictionary is also not good.
  • @Ranjithsa #5486 06:36 AM, 17 Dec 2017
    Currently I turned this autocorrection off
  • This is my area of research. As the paper you linked says "However, at the level of error detection, this number critically
    affects, until we have morphological analyzers which can work
    on erroneous text."
  • @sthottingal #5490 07:00 AM, 17 Dec 2017
    I am working on morphology analyser.
  • But till that, for OCR, I guess we need to come up with a dictionary of visual variants and a dictionary for ngram or prefix sequence match
  • Towards a Malayalam morphology analyser

    Malayalam is a highly inflectional and agglutinative language. This has posed a challenge for all kind of language processing. Algorithmic interpretation of Malayalam’s words and their formation rules …

  • @sthottingal #5497 07:10 AM, 17 Dec 2017
    fair concern. so far it did not.
  • ഉപയോഗിക്കുന്നത് ibus ആണെങ്കിൽ ibus-gtk, ibus-gtk3 എന്ന പാക്കേജുകൾ ഇൻസ്റ്റാൾ ചെയ്ത് നോക്കൂ (ലോഗൗട്ട്/ലോഗിൻ ചെയ്യേണ്ടി വരുമെന്നാണ് എന്റെ ഓർമ്മ)
  • ibus anu
  • ഇതുപൊലെ ചെയ്തപ്പൊള്‍ ശരിയായി 😘
  • @balasankarc #5516 10:38 AM, 17 Dec 2017
    👍🏼
  • @sarathkrishnan_gs #5517 10:38 AM, 17 Dec 2017
    കിദുവെ
  • 18 December 2017 (10 messages)
  • @atcelsius #5944 05:36 AM, 18 Dec 2017
    typewriter.pdf
  • @atcelsius #5945 05:36 AM, 18 Dec 2017
  • @atcelsius #5946 05:40 AM, 18 Dec 2017
    mal-type.pdf
  • @atcelsius #5947 05:40 AM, 18 Dec 2017
  • @tchncs_bot #5948 b o t 05:46 AM, 18 Dec 2017
    jerin: Harish: Any luck? What's the progress?
  • @sthottingal #5949 06:24 AM, 18 Dec 2017
    കേരളീയം ഫോണ്ട് പുറത്തിറക്കിയിട്ട് ഇന്നേയ്ക്ക് മൂന്നു വർഷമാകുന്നു. ഹുസൈൻ കെ. എച് ആണ് കേരളീയം രൂപകല്പന ചെയ്തത്. ഓപ്പൺടൈപ്പ് എൻജിനിയറിങ്ങ് ചെയ്തത് രജീഷ് കെ. നമ്പ്യാരും കാവ്യ മനോഹറും ആയിരുന്നു. തലക്കെട്ടുകൾക്ക് വേണ്ടി രൂപകല്പന ചെയ്ത ഈ ഫോണ്ട് പെട്ടെന്നുതന്നെ പ്രചാരത്തിലായി.

    അതിനുശേഷം ഈ ഫോണ്ട് പല തവണ പുതുക്കിയിട്ടൂണ്ടായിരുന്നു. ശ്രദ്ധയിൽപ്പെട്ട പിഴവുകൾ പരിഹരിച്ചിട്ടുണ്ട്. ഇംഗ്ലീഷിലെ l, j എന്നീ അക്ഷരങ്ങൾ താരതമ്യേന മെലിഞ്ഞതായിരുന്നു. അത് റിലീസിനു ശേഷം അധികം വൈകാതെത്തന്നെ ശരിയാക്കിയിരുന്നു. ഇതുവരെ ചെയ്തിട്ടില്ലെങ്കിൽ നിങ്ങളുടെ കമ്പ്യൂട്ടറിലെ ഫോണ്ട് പുതുക്കുന്നതു് നന്നായിരിക്കും. Download: https://smc.org.in/fonts/#keraleeyam
  • @tchncs_bot #5950 b o t 07:21 AM, 18 Dec 2017
    Harish:
    > HHarish: Any luck? What's the progress?
    Actually, I didn't move forward from last state.
    What happened last time is, I checked 2-3 crnn implementations and most of them are some how depending on cuda.
    Finally, I found caffe-crnn which do not depends ( only ) on cuda.
    ( I do not have any Nvidia GPU and I do not like to spend money for an Nvidia GPU. )
  • @tchncs_bot #5951 b o t 07:37 AM, 18 Dec 2017
    jerin: Ah, screw GPU. MNIST like implementations don't need GPU
  • @tchncs_bot #5952 b o t 07:37 AM, 18 Dec 2017
    jerin: If CRNN requires one, I can train and run it, just prototype using a CPU
  • @tchncs_bot #5953 b o t 07:51 AM, 18 Dec 2017
    Harish: Yup. will try that.
    It is bit depressing fact that, Nvidia has complete dominance in the area of ML.
    Most of the major projects depens on Nvidia .
    So sad situation
  • 19 December 2017 (2 messages)
  • @sthottingal #5954 11:09 AM, 19 Dec 2017
    Kerala University National seminar on Malayalam - Jan 2018. Call for papers
  • @ranjithkb ↶ Reply to #5473 #5955 01:56 PM, 19 Dec 2017
    Thank You :)
  • 20 December 2017 (9 messages)
  • @sthottingal #5956 07:21 AM, 20 Dec 2017
    Job: there is a Delhi based job for people with passion about free software and system admin skills. It is for SFLC.
  • @sthottingal #5957 07:21 AM, 20 Dec 2017
    Entry level people are also considered according to them. If interested contact me, I can connect with them.
  • @atcelsius #5958 03:28 PM, 20 Dec 2017
  • @akshay ↶ Reply to #5957 #5959 05:12 PM, 20 Dec 2017
    interested. but not free now :/(
  • @tchncs_bot #5960 b o t 05:37 PM, 20 Dec 2017
    > thachu (IRC) has joined the room
  • @tchncs_bot #5961 b o t 05:40 PM, 20 Dec 2017
    > thanu (IRC) has joined the room
  • @tchncs_bot #5962 b o t 05:40 PM, 20 Dec 2017
    thanu (IRC): hello
  • @tchncs_bot #5963 b o t 05:42 PM, 20 Dec 2017
    < thachu (IRC) has left the room
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  • 21 December 2017 (8 messages)
  • @tchncs_bot #5965 b o t 10:06 AM, 21 Dec 2017
    < copyninja (IRC) has left the room
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    > copyninja (IRC) has joined the room
  • @aak2105 #5967 10:57 AM, 21 Dec 2017
  • @pccppc #5968 10:58 AM, 21 Dec 2017
  • @AkbaraliCharankav #5969 01:59 PM, 21 Dec 2017
    മലയാളം വിക്കിപീഡിയ 15-ആം വാർഷികാഘോഷം:- നാളെ കോഴിക്കോട്‌ പഠന ശിബിരം നടക്കുന്നു
  • @pccppc #5973 06:16 PM, 21 Dec 2017
    @biovisions_bot
    2017-18 സാമ്പത്തിക വര്‍ഷത്തെ ഇന്‍കം ടാക്സ് പൂര്‍ണ്ണമായും അടച്ചു തീര്‍ക്കാന്‍ ഇനി മൂന്നു മാസങ്ങളേയുള്ളൂ. അടയ്ക്കാന്‍ ബാക്കിയുള്ള തുക അടുത്ത മാസങ്ങളില്‍ തുല്യ തവണകളാക്കി അടയ്ക്കുന്നത് വഴി അവസാന മാസത്തെ പ്രയാസങ്ങള്‍ ഒഴിവാക്കാം. ആദായ നികുതി പരമാവധി കുറയ്ക്കുന്നതിനായി നിക്ഷേപങ്ങള്‍ നടത്തുന്നതിനും ഇത് സഹായിക്കും
    ഈ വര്‍ഷത്തെ ആദായ നികുതി നിരക്കും നികുതി ഇളവിനായുള്ള വിവിധ വകുപ്പുകളും അറിയാന്‍ ഈ PDF ഫയല്‍ ഡൌണ്‍ലോഡ് ചെയ്യാം.
    Download PDF File of Notes on INCOME TAX 2017-18 (http://bit.ly/2mBeD0g)
    ഇന്‍കം ടാക്സ്, ടാക്സ് റിലീഫ് എന്നിവ കണക്കാക്കുന്നതിനും Anticipatory Statement, Final Statement, Form 10E മുതലായവ തയ്യാറാക്കുന്നതിന് സഹായകരമായ സോഫ്റ്റ്‌വെയര്‍ ഇവിടെ നിന്നും ഡൌണ്‍ലോഡ് ചെയ്യാം.
    Download EASY TAX 2018 (http://bit.ly/2x79eDN)
    ചില പ്രധാന ഉത്തരവുകള്‍ ഇവിടെ നിന്നും ഡൌണ്‍ലോഡ് ചെയ്യാം.
    Circular from Finance Department (http://finance.kerala.gov.in/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=6861&Itemid=57): തവണകളായി ശമ്പളത്തില്‍ നിന്നും നികുതി കുറയ്ക്കണമെന്ന നിര്‍ദേശം.
  • @pccppc ↶ Reply to #5970 #5974 06:17 PM, 21 Dec 2017
    ഇതൊന്ന് നോക്കൂ
    ചിലപ്പോൾ ഉപകാരപ്പെട്ടേക്കാം
    👆👆
  • @pccppc ↶ Reply to #5975 #5976 06:24 PM, 21 Dec 2017
    K

    Also go to here if useful

    Education Kerala:
    Income Tax Software Tools
    http://www.hsslive.in/2017/12/income-tax-software-tools.html
    Income Tax Software Tools

    Income Tax Software Tools for employees

  • 22 December 2017 (12 messages)
  • @atcelsius #5978 04:30 AM, 22 Dec 2017
    Malayalam computing

    How to use Malayalam Unicode fonts in the present Kerala Panchayath Department

  • @tchncs_bot #5979 b o t 05:41 AM, 22 Dec 2017
    > diadara_ (IRC) has joined the room
  • @tchncs_bot #5980 b o t 06:39 AM, 22 Dec 2017
    Complexities of Malayalam computing explained

    In the 1990s, with the advent of computers, the State Institute of Languages decided to simplify Malayalam even more.

  • @tchncs_bot #5981 b o t 06:56 AM, 22 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen:
    > Somebody please kick this spambot
    Anivar Aravind (Telegram) Ranjith siji it has affected many channels. If we are a bridged room, we can at least clean it up.
  • I'm looking into hosting a telematrix server. So that we can just remove the code that does this.
  • @tchncs_bot #5984 b o t 07:27 AM, 22 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: Balasankar C (Telegram): I'm talking about message content spam, not join/leave messages.
  • @tchncs_bot #5985 b o t 07:28 AM, 22 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: Balasankar C (Telegram): I suggest we send a patch first before running our own server
  • @balasankarc #5986 07:28 AM, 22 Dec 2017
    Oh. Ok
  • @tchncs_bot #5987 b o t 09:30 AM, 22 Dec 2017
    < diadara_ (IRC) has left the room
  • @tchncs_bot #5988 b o t 10:05 AM, 22 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: Riot is a free software alternative for telegram and watsapp. There is a parallel riot linked group to this telegram group. Because of bridging, you can chat in telegram group from riot. Those who are free software enthusiasts and promote free culture, try riot.
    "Here convenience is the blue pill and freedom is the red one, choice is yours."
  • @stultus #5989 11:36 AM, 22 Dec 2017
    നിങ്ങളുടെയറിവിൽ 2 years experience ഉള്ള ആൻഡ്രോയ്ഡ് ഡെവലപ്പർമാർ ആരെങ്കിലും ജോലി മാറാൻ ഉദ്ദേശിക്കുന്നവർ / ജോലി അന്വേഷിക്കുന്നവർ ഉണ്ടെങ്കിൽ എന്നെ കോണ്ടാക്റ്റ് ചെയ്യാൻ പറയാമോ? hrishi@entri.me
  • @deadpoolish #5990 04:47 PM, 22 Dec 2017
  • 23 December 2017 (4 messages)
  • @tchncs_bot #5991 b o t 09:58 AM, 23 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen sent an image
  • @tchncs_bot #5992 b o t 02:20 PM, 23 Dec 2017
    < copyninja (IRC) has left the room
  • @tchncs_bot #5993 b o t 02:22 PM, 23 Dec 2017
    > copyninja (IRC) has joined the room
  • @akshay ↶ Reply to #5991 #5994 02:36 PM, 23 Dec 2017
    Nice!
  • 24 December 2017 (192 messages)
  • @tchncs_bot #5995 b o t 05:10 AM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen sent an image
  • @418977309 #5996 10:11 AM, 24 Dec 2017
  • @251061627 ↶ Reply to #5995 #5997 12:42 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Best !!😔
  • @tchncs_bot #5998 b o t 12:59 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: To be frank - apple's a lot easier. Everything works nicely.
  • @tchncs_bot #5999 b o t 12:59 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Integrates and syncs nicely.
  • @Ishikawa90 #6000 01:39 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Also unnecessarily expensive
  • @Ishikawa90 #6001 01:40 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Microsoft syncs just as well and cheaper
  • @Ishikawa90 #6002 01:40 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    That's not the point though
  • @Ishikawa90 #6003 01:40 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    (My Linux/BSD machines also syncs easily)
  • @muzirian ↶ Reply to #5998 #6004 04:15 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Ivanmark enth engot syncan
  • @tchncs_bot #6005 b o t 04:45 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: Integrates and syncs nicejerin: because they use proprietary protocols and don't allow others to sync nicely by standardizing their interfaces
  • @tchncs_bot #6006 b o t 04:46 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: To be frank - apple's a lot easier. Everything works nicejerin: but you have absolutely no control. That is not a nice deal.
  • @tchncs_bot #6007 b o t 04:47 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: Reply to jerin: jerin: To be frank - apple's a lot easier. Everything works nicely. Ivanmark enth engot syncI think he is talking about iphone and itunes here
  • @tchncs_bot #6008 b o t 04:50 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Oh no, more than that.
  • @tchncs_bot #6009 b o t 04:50 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin:
    > Integrates and syncs nicely.
    > jerin: because they use proprietary protocols and don't allow others to sync nicely by standardizing their interfaces
    Why should they, in the first place? To the average non-geek user - a MacBook or an iPhone is an incredibly overpriced machine. I admit - but in the ecosystem things are smooth and works.
  • @tchncs_bot #6010 b o t 04:51 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin:
    > To be frank - apple's a lot easier. Everything works nicely.
    > jerin: but you have absolutely no control. That is not a nice deal.
    To the power user. Some people don't even require the degree of control you'd advice is necessary.
  • @tchncs_bot #6011 b o t 04:51 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: jerin: no, not just for power users
  • @tchncs_bot #6012 b o t 04:51 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: and the govt have the funds to customize if it wants
  • @muzirian #6013 04:52 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Even google drive syncs 😒
  • @tchncs_bot #6014 b o t 04:52 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: it can pay for developers
  • @tchncs_bot #6015 b o t 04:52 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: it is about the ability to customize
  • @tchncs_bot #6016 b o t 04:52 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: do you want our govt to beg for customization?
  • @tchncs_bot #6017 b o t 04:52 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: There is no need to customize beyond a certain degree now.
  • @tchncs_bot #6018 b o t 04:52 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: jerin: who decides that/
  • @tchncs_bot #6019 b o t 04:52 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Dropbox syncs better than Google.
  • @muzirian #6020 04:53 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Also owncloud syncs 😍
  • @tchncs_bot #6021 b o t 04:53 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: But that's not the point
  • @tchncs_bot #6022 b o t 04:53 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: jerin: the question is, who decides?
  • @muzirian #6023 04:53 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pinna entha point
  • @tchncs_bot #6024 b o t 04:54 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: being in control of our software is incredibly important
  • @tchncs_bot #6025 b o t 04:54 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: GNU/Linux is free only if you have free time.
  • @tchncs_bot #6026 b o t 04:54 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: I'm glad the govt understands that
  • @tchncs_bot #6027 b o t 04:54 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: we are not talking about money here
  • @tchncs_bot #6028 b o t 04:54 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: the question is about control
  • @tchncs_bot #6029 b o t 04:55 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: What would the said control get you?
  • @tchncs_bot #6030 b o t 04:55 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: What's the most brilliant thing ever done with the controlzm
  • @tchncs_bot #6031 b o t 04:55 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: ?
  • @tchncs_bot #6032 b o t 04:55 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: the ability to get the software do what I want
  • @tchncs_bot #6033 b o t 04:56 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: so many things
  • @tchncs_bot #6034 b o t 04:56 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Be more specific?
  • @tchncs_bot #6035 b o t 04:56 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: from the custom distro we run in every schoo;
  • @tchncs_bot #6036 b o t 04:56 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: can you do that with apple?
  • @tchncs_bot #6037 b o t 04:56 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: can you make a custom iso of apple with software we want?
  • @tchncs_bot #6038 b o t 04:56 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: we translate apps to Malayalam
  • @tchncs_bot #6039 b o t 04:57 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: we localize apps so it becomes relevant to our kids here
  • @tchncs_bot #6040 b o t 04:57 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: it does not show euro or dollar notes, but rupee
  • @tchncs_bot #6041 b o t 04:57 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: it does not show pics of birds or trees not found here
  • @tchncs_bot #6042 b o t 04:58 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: we can list numerous examples where we customized
  • @tchncs_bot #6043 b o t 04:58 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: every person need not be an expert
  • @tchncs_bot #6044 b o t 04:59 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: but the customizations do get distributed to no techies as well
  • @tchncs_bot #6045 b o t 05:00 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: uh, huh, so?
  • @tchncs_bot #6046 b o t 05:00 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: so we care about the ability to customize, even if we personally can't do it
  • @tchncs_bot #6047 b o t 05:00 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: that is what we call control
  • @tchncs_bot #6048 b o t 05:02 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: we are willing to put moeny and effort to get the software to do what we want
  • @tchncs_bot #6049 b o t 05:02 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Yes, but why would changing a rupee sign or translating to languages be a convincing enough argument to deploy it?
  • @tchncs_bot #6050 b o t 05:03 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin:
    > we are willing to put moeny and effort to get the software to do what we want
    You can build apps on the said platform. Mac OS isn't that bad - decent command line utilities work there as well. You just can't tamper with the core, far as I understand. You can still create subsystems which are available on GNU/Linux.
  • @tchncs_bot #6051 b o t 05:04 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: jerin: That happened in GCompris, a tool that is used to teach children. They can relate with Rupee and Mango tree better than Euro and a fir tree. Don't you think that matters for the impact such a software have on children?
  • @tchncs_bot #6052 b o t 05:04 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: no, we are not interested in merely developing apps, why would we? We want the complete freedom. Why should we not modify the core if we need?
  • @tchncs_bot #6053 b o t 05:04 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin:
    > no, we are not interested in merely developing apps, why would we? We want the complete freedom. Why should we not modify the core if we need?
  • @tchncs_bot #6054 b o t 05:05 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin:
    > jerin: That happened in GCompris, a tool that is used to teach children. They can relate with Rupee and Mango tree better than Euro and a fir tree. Don't you think that matters for the impact such a software have on children?
    While the larger software is simply unknown to these students - only thing they want to learn is mango, rupee instead of euro and fir?
  • @tchncs_bot #6055 b o t 05:06 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: when you have the whole system available for you to see, modify and innovate? why limit ourselves?
  • @tchncs_bot #6056 b o t 05:06 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: I want our kids to be able to innovate on the same level
  • @tchncs_bot #6057 b o t 05:06 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: No, I'm not asking from the software devel perspective. I'm asking from the user perspective.
  • @tchncs_bot #6058 b o t 05:07 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: devel freedom spreads to users
  • @tchncs_bot #6059 b o t 05:07 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin:
    > I want our kids to be able to innovate on the same level
    Examples of these - please. Which happened thanks to custom distributed software?
  • @tchncs_bot #6060 b o t 05:08 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: a 10th standard student wrote code in a single day to connect matrix and diaspora
  • @tchncs_bot #6061 b o t 05:08 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Which can be done on the windows ecosystem, macbook or linux.
  • @tchncs_bot #6062 b o t 05:08 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Shamil K / synapse-diaspora-auth

    Diaspora authentication for Matrix Synapse.

  • @tchncs_bot #6063 b o t 05:09 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: jerin: Free Software on Windows?
  • @tchncs_bot #6064 b o t 05:09 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: jerin: What if either Matrix or Diaspora wasn't Free Software? Would he have been able to do it so easily? :)
  • @tchncs_bot #6065 b o t 05:10 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: You're just telling me why there should be free and open source software
  • @tchncs_bot #6066 b o t 05:10 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Not why Apple shouldn't be used.
  • @tchncs_bot #6067 b o t 05:10 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: because you already said it
  • @tchncs_bot #6068 b o t 05:10 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: apple is not free and open source
  • @tchncs_bot #6069 b o t 05:11 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Oh, no. I did not say it.
  • @tchncs_bot #6070 b o t 05:11 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: You're just telling me why there should be free and open source softw^
  • @tchncs_bot #6071 b o t 05:11 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: The original discussion was why the finance ministry couldn't use apple
  • @tchncs_bot #6072 b o t 05:11 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: are you saying Operating System is not software?
  • @tchncs_bot #6073 b o t 05:11 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: I find apple convenient enough for the users in that sector.
  • @tchncs_bot #6074 b o t 05:11 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: it is some holy thing that should not be opened?
  • @tchncs_bot #6075 b o t 05:12 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Are apple products so mediocre and free software superior so they shouldn't be used?
  • @tchncs_bot #6076 b o t 05:12 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate Bady:
    > The original discussion was why the finance ministry couldn't use apple
    why finance ministey couldn't use rolls royce?
  • @tchncs_bot #6077 b o t 05:12 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Sure, why not - if they have the money?
  • @tchncs_bot #6078 b o t 05:13 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate Bady: ya, "people's" money
  • @tchncs_bot #6079 b o t 05:13 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: Are apple products so mediocre and free software superior so they shouldn't be usare you pretending to not see the point here?
  • @tchncs_bot #6080 b o t 05:13 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Most MacBooks are solid - has very less issues. Pretty overpriced - but the 2012 Pro was a beast.
  • @tchncs_bot #6081 b o t 05:13 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: with Free software, we can make things convenient
  • @tchncs_bot #6082 b o t 05:14 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: No, let's say I'm a taxpayer, I'd prefer the people in the office use a system which is convenient and good enough - and I don't see why MacBook shouldn't be a choice.
  • @tchncs_bot #6083 b o t 05:14 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: Thinkpads are solid too, but that is not the point
  • @tchncs_bot #6084 b o t 05:14 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin:
    > Thinkpads are solid too, but that is not the point
    Runs on GNU/Linux. Not the best user experience.
  • @tchncs_bot #6085 b o t 05:15 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: It's your opinion in the end that control is a necessity.
  • @tchncs_bot #6086 b o t 05:15 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: I'm happy with a box that works and gives me a decent unix-like subsystem these days.
  • @tchncs_bot #6087 b o t 05:15 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: that is your opinion
  • @tchncs_bot #6088 b o t 05:15 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Yes.
  • @tchncs_bot #6089 b o t 05:15 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Opinions are okay, but no need to assert.
  • @tchncs_bot #6090 b o t 05:15 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: It on others - say the finance department.
  • @tchncs_bot #6091 b o t 05:16 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: When it comes to taxpayer's money, it isn't as simple.
  • @tchncs_bot #6092 b o t 05:16 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: it is more than my opinion too
  • @tchncs_bot #6093 b o t 05:16 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: it is state IT policy, which is binding
  • @tchncs_bot #6094 b o t 05:16 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: on every govt department
  • @tchncs_bot #6095 b o t 05:16 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Let go of policy to back up your argument.
  • @tchncs_bot #6096 b o t 05:17 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: My question is, why not apple products at all?
  • @tchncs_bot #6097 b o t 05:17 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: but you said no need to assert
  • @tchncs_bot #6098 b o t 05:17 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Libreoffice outright sucks, compared to the others.
  • @tchncs_bot #6099 b o t 05:17 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: I'd have stuck to arguments if IT policy was in place
  • @tchncs_bot #6100 b o t 05:18 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: but with IT policy vaildating my opinion, I can definitely assert
  • @tchncs_bot #6101 b o t 05:18 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    hacksk: Because freedom comes on top of everything
  • @tchncs_bot #6102 b o t 05:18 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: IT policy was not in place -- correction
  • @tchncs_bot #6103 b o t 05:19 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Wow, this is one huge echo chamber. What benefit would be there with the ability to tweak some finance secretary's work laptop?
  • @tchncs_bot #6104 b o t 05:20 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: I'd be compromising a good office suite.
  • @tchncs_bot #6105 b o t 05:20 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Nice integration of files, documents and sync.
  • @tchncs_bot #6106 b o t 05:20 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: In favour of the ability to customize.
  • @tchncs_bot #6107 b o t 05:21 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin:
    > Because freedom comes on top of everything
    Yes. Use cheap, crappy software just so there's freedom?
  • @tchncs_bot #6108 b o t 05:22 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc:
    > Yes. Use cheap, crappy software just so there's freedom?
    Wow.
  • @tchncs_bot #6109 b o t 05:22 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: That's a slippery slop. :)
  • @tchncs_bot #6110 b o t 05:23 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate Bady:
    > My question is, why not apple products at all?
    https://stallman.org/apple.html
    i hope that answers your question
  • @tchncs_bot #6111 b o t 05:24 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: Wow, this is one huge echo chambeYou can at least engage with us. Can we get even such a platform to debate with apple empoyees on software freedom?
  • @tchncs_bot #6112 b o t 05:24 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    hacksk:
    > Because freedom comes on top of everything
    > Yes. Use cheap, crappy software just so there's freedom?
    Are u using iPhone or android
  • @tchncs_bot #6113 b o t 05:25 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Because freedom comes on top of everything  Yes. Use cheap, crappy software just so there's freedom?  Are u using iPhone or andrAndroid.
  • @tchncs_bot #6114 b o t 05:25 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: My question is, why not apple products at all?  https://stallman.org/apple.html  i hope that answers your questNot really - my question is not on the ethical side. Do we have the right statistics for these arguments?
  • @tchncs_bot #6115 b o t 05:26 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: You are critizing the developers of a Free Software project on their channel? Can you even do that with proprietary companies?
  • @tchncs_bot #6116 b o t 05:26 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: Our argument is, ethics do matter
  • @tchncs_bot #6117 b o t 05:26 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: You are critizing the developers of a Free Software project on their channel? Can you even do that with proprietary companNo, you're taking this personally. I don't have a problem with free software or anything.
  • @tchncs_bot #6118 b o t 05:26 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: Freedom is worth a sacrifice
  • @tchncs_bot #6119 b o t 05:27 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: You are ignoring the fact that an OPerating System is also software
  • @tchncs_bot #6120 b o t 05:27 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: I have enough knowledge on major desktop ecosystems by now - linux, a bit advanced as well, and I'm stating if I am to give my friends or family a machine - it's most likely MacBook
  • @tchncs_bot #6121 b o t 05:27 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: why do you say an argument for Software Freedom don't apply to Operating System or an Office Suite?
  • @tchncs_bot #6122 b o t 05:28 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: I have enough knowledge on major desktop ecosystems by now - linux, a bit advanced as well, and I'm stating if I am to give my friends or family a machine - it's most likely MacBAnd I don't see why people in the Finance department should be crippled by less user-friendly, less featured office suites and things of that sort.
  • @tchncs_bot #6123 b o t 05:28 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc:
    > I have enough knowledge on major desktop ecosystems by now - linux, a bit advanced as well, and I'm stating if I am to give my friends or family a machine - it's most likely MacBook
    I won't. I tried Mac and felt it to be way difficult and gave a GNU/Linux distro to my parents. But that is relative - what is good for you may not be good for me.
  • @tchncs_bot #6124 b o t 05:33 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: it only your opinion that libre office is not enough
  • @tchncs_bot #6125 b o t 05:33 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: jerin: I agree convenience is indeed a factor. But, I don't agree that supercedes the concept of freedom and the advantages it brings. And to say LO is beyond crap when compared to Apple's office suite is bit biased IMO. I can find you plenty of people who find LO to be satisfactory enough to get their work done efficiently.
  • @tchncs_bot #6126 b o t 05:33 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: I have had so much horrible experience with LO.
  • @tchncs_bot #6127 b o t 05:34 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: Same for me, with Mac. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
  • @tachyons #6128 05:34 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    👀
  • @tchncs_bot #6129 b o t 05:34 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: You haven't tried enough perhaps
  • @tchncs_bot #6130 b o t 05:35 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: My professors, even the ones who teach operating systems brings a Mac
  • @tchncs_bot #6131 b o t 05:35 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: The point is, when you want Freedom and Convenience, and you start with proprietary software, you can never have Freedom.
  • @tchncs_bot #6132 b o t 05:36 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: but with Free Software, we are continuously making it more and more convenient
  • @tchncs_bot #6133 b o t 05:37 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: No, not really
  • @tchncs_bot #6134 b o t 05:37 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: That requires a lot of human effort
  • @tchncs_bot #6135 b o t 05:37 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: Even my parents, both of whom are professors and not that technically capable are happy with their Linux Mint machines and find it efficient. And yes, they did give Mac a try first. :) Usability is relative, I repeat.
  • @tchncs_bot #6136 b o t 05:37 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate Bady: jerin: govt has already publicly committed to promote free & open source software, such a govt shouldn't use a proprietary platform that ships with proprietary operating software. apart from wasting people's money it's ironical as well. any further arguments?
  • @tchncs_bot #6137 b o t 05:37 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Akshay: Well I guess the point jerin is trying to make is that running free software OS is important maybe for school labs where the purpose of the laptop is to learn computing, but the purpose of a ministry's laptop is to make the work of the ministry as efficient as possible
  • @tchncs_bot #6138 b o t 05:39 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: jerin: This is where a custom distro example comes in appropriately. Because we were able to create a custom distro with all the necessary software, schools across Kerala were saved from the hardship of installing and configuring all those softwares in all those machines. Didn't that decrease human effort, in total?
  • @tchncs_bot #6139 b o t 05:39 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Akshay: And I guess jerin thinks Mac is much more efficient/intuitive
  • @tchncs_bot #6140 b o t 05:39 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: No, not efficient.
  • @tchncs_bot #6141 b o t 05:39 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Convenient
  • @tchncs_bot #6142 b o t 05:39 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: I don't have to think, be free and develop a lot
  • @tchncs_bot #6143 b o t 05:39 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: I can assume some guarantees come with it that it works, if not - I can shout at Apple instead of having to fix it myself.
  • @tchncs_bot #6144 b o t 05:40 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Akshay: We should probably build a list of conveniences that Mac holds over GNU and try to check them off one by one
  • @tchncs_bot #6145 b o t 05:40 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: Just like you accuse LO to be crappy when it comes to usability, I can very easily say Mac is crappy, philosophically because it is non-free and hence unethical. Even from a security perspective, I can accuse it to be sub-standard.

    Why is convenience a greater factor than ethics?
  • @tachyons #6146 05:41 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    I personally like Linux more and is difficult for me to use Mac, but that is not the point here.

    Choice of Mac hardware for government purpose got criticised because

    1. Government a free software policy, and this can be a violation of that policy

    2. Value for money, since it is from tax payers money, they are accountable to public. Do they have any specific requirement to use high priced Mac hardware?

    3. Can not customise for government use.

    4. All the reasons for free and open source
  • @tchncs_bot #6147 b o t 05:42 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: We should probably build a list of conveniences that Mac holds over GNU and try to check them off one by Akshay: good point
  • @tchncs_bot #6148 b o t 05:43 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: jerin: can you help us list out the specific cases where Mac/its office suite is better/convenient?
  • @tchncs_bot #6149 b o t 05:43 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin:
    > Just like you accuse LO to be crappy when it comes to usability, I can very easily say Mac is crappy, philosophically because it is non-free and hence unethical. Even from a security perspective, I can accuse it to be sub-standard.
    > Why is convenience a greater factor than ethics?
    Productivity of ministry officials?
  • @tchncs_bot #6150 b o t 05:43 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc:
    > Productivity of ministry officials?
    Based on the assumption that productivity sucks if FOSS is used?
  • @tchncs_bot #6151 b o t 05:44 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin:
    > Productivity of ministry officials?
    > Based on the assumption that productivity sucks if FOSS is used?
    No, it's reduced. I didn't say it's unusable
  • @tchncs_bot #6152 b o t 05:44 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Akshay: I will tell a random tangential story. My hospital is run by an NGO with amazing principles. They would totally agree with the concept of free software. But when it came to getting computers for registration, lab, etc more than 8 years ago they bought Windows XP because back then the situation was stacked up against GNU. But there was another round of buying this year and they switched to zorin OS!
  • @tchncs_bot #6153 b o t 05:45 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: What is zorin os?
  • @tchncs_bot #6154 b o t 05:45 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc:
    > No, it's reduced. I didn't say it's unusable
    I disagree.
  • @tchncs_bot #6155 b o t 05:45 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: Mac comes with Microsoft Office or another?
  • @tchncs_bot #6156 b o t 05:46 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: The only real way to find out is do statistical analysis
  • @tchncs_bot #6157 b o t 05:46 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: Why do you think government chose FOSS over proprietary solutions?
  • @tchncs_bot #6158 b o t 05:46 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate Bady:
    > No, it's reduced. I didn't say it's unusable
    jerin: let me ask your question back to you: "Do we have the right statistics for these arguments?"
  • @tchncs_bot #6159 b o t 05:46 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Akshay: ZorinOS is a derivative of Ubuntu I think.
  • @tchncs_bot #6160 b o t 05:46 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc:
    > Why do you think government chose FOSS over proprietary solutions?
    And why aren't those advantages applicable in whatever the usecase you are describing?
  • @tchncs_bot #6161 b o t 05:47 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: jerin: https://pad.disroot.org/p/Mac_vs_GNU-Linux
  • @tchncs_bot #6162 b o t 05:48 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: The argument of "Usability is reduced if FOSS is used" is very, very relative. A custom tailored FOSS solution worked fine for many government departments.
  • @tchncs_bot #6163 b o t 05:48 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Like?
  • @tchncs_bot #6164 b o t 05:49 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: IT@School, KSEB, Khadi Board, PWD, Legislative assmebly etc etc.
  • @tchncs_bot #6165 b o t 05:49 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate Bady: also are there any reliable statistics that shows convenience to price ratio is better for apple products?
  • @tchncs_bot #6166 b o t 05:51 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: ^ This.

    Is the convenience worth the money? How much will it cost to develop such features to existing FOSS solutions (which holds a greater advantage, in the long run)? Will it be more or less than buying proprietary licenses for quite a number of machines?

    Data! :)
  • @tchncs_bot #6167 b o t 05:52 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: Until there is statistical data to prove either side, FOSS has an advantage based on other factors like ethical, philosophical and security.
  • @tchncs_bot #6168 b o t 05:53 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: As a tax payer, I prefer my government using publically auditable and verifiable softwares to handle my data!
  • @tchncs_bot #6169 b o t 05:53 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: Especially when it comes to financial data.
  • @221295042 #6171 05:54 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    A few points here ^^
  • @tchncs_bot #6172 b o t 05:56 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: Why are we spending money on ISRO if giving the satellites to NASA is more convenient?
  • @tchncs_bot #6173 b o t 05:57 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: it might cost a bit more
  • @tchncs_bot #6174 b o t 05:57 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: but it would be very convenient, right?
  • @tchncs_bot #6175 b o t 05:58 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    hacksk: What if apple store imp gov data to their server
  • @tchncs_bot #6176 b o t 05:58 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    hacksk: We can't say they dont
  • @tchncs_bot #6177 b o t 05:58 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: and also would apple be charging the same money if GNU/Linux or Libre Office were abscent in the game?
  • @tchncs_bot #6178 b o t 05:59 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: Maybe not. So?

    > and also would apple be charging the same money if GNU/Linux or Libre Office were abscent in the game?
  • @tchncs_bot #6179 b o t 06:01 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: those are all the factors not just convenience
  • @tchncs_bot #6180 b o t 06:01 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: there is more to Free Software than what meets the eye
  • @tchncs_bot #6181 b o t 06:04 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: one point I want to highlight from the above wiki "Reducing imports/conserving foreign exchange"
  • @tchncs_bot #6182 b o t 06:05 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    > Da Shamil has joined the room
  • @tchncs_bot #6183 b o t 06:07 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: again from the wiki, but I mentioned earlier this point "It has been noted that there is a positive correlation between the growth of a FOSS developer base and the innovative software capacities of an economy."
  • @tchncs_bot #6185 b o t 06:43 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: So - seems that the finance ministry can afford it, given they've already bought it.
  • @tchncs_bot #6186 b o t 06:45 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    jerin: again from the wiki, but I mentioned earlier this point "It has been noted that there is a positive correlation between the  growth of a FOSS developer base and the innovative software capacities  of an economcorrelation doesn't imply causation.
  • @tchncs_bot #6187 b o t 06:48 PM, 24 Dec 2017
    > Po Shamil has joined the room
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  • @tchncs_bot #6188 b o t 12:51 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    * sadiq[m] missed the discussion
  • @tchncs_bot #6189 b o t 04:23 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: jerin: that is weird logic. You imply people/govt does not spend beyond their means.
  • @tchncs_bot #6190 b o t 04:25 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: Even before this correlation was noted, we knew how Free Software can help innovation.
  • @tchncs_bot #6191 b o t 04:33 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    sadiq[m]: jerin: there are several indirect costs. Say, if the whole government uses M$ office, every user that have to submit some document should be using the same (else, the document might not work well). So either people will have to buy M$ office (or use a unauthorized version, which is legally and morally wrong). But if the government uses a gratis version (eg: Libreoffice which is also free), the cost goes considerably less. Just explaining the monetary benefits
  • @Ishikawa90 #6192 04:34 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    Licensing costs alone are a big saver - could be diverted to other funds
  • @Ishikawa90 #6193 04:35 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    Not to mention reliance on local community
  • @Ishikawa90 #6194 04:35 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    And hence self reliability
  • @tchncs_bot #6195 b o t 05:46 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: jerin: there are several indirect costs. Say, if the whole government uses M$ office, every user that have to submit some document should be using the same (else, the document might not work well). So either people will have to buy M$ office (or use a unauthorized version, which is legally and morally wrong). But if the government uses a gratis version (eg: Libreoffice which is also free), the cost goes considerably less. Just explaining the monetary benefOh, come on - don't come back to monetary benefits. You're putting a lot of pain on the users just so the system is very customizable. They needn't be bothered with the nuances of free-open-source  ultra customizable awesomeness.
  • @tchncs_bot #6196 b o t 05:48 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: Even before this correlation was noted, we knew how Free Software can help innovatiLook, at best you can say statistically, they've been more activity and sharing in Free and Open Source Circles, which is conditioned on the fact that it's FOSS.

    Not that it's universal. I condition it on finance-department non-technical background users, I can put closed source heavy user oriented and more featured systems way ahead.
  • @347326798 ↶ Reply to #6167 #6197 05:48 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    ^
  • @tchncs_bot #6198 b o t 05:49 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: Licensing costs alone are a big saver - could be diverted to other fuSo there are people who do charity work to put the best software out there for users?
  • @tchncs_bot #6199 b o t 05:49 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: Where does the money come from? Donations?
  • @tchncs_bot #6200 b o t 05:50 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    Da Shamil: ugghh
  • @tchncs_bot #6201 b o t 05:50 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    Da Shamil: sorry, unformatted message.
  • @tchncs_bot #6202 b o t 05:51 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: Look at it this way, I'm a user trying to increase my productivity and abilities to do more with software - given I have enough money, would I choose:

    Photoshop or GIMP?
  • @tchncs_bot #6203 b o t 05:51 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: Microsoft Office or LibreOffice?
  • @tchncs_bot #6204 b o t 05:51 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: Matlab or fucking Octave?
  • @tchncs_bot #6205 b o t 05:52 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: Microsoft Server or Linux Server?
  • @tchncs_bot #6206 b o t 05:54 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: Final Cut Pro or whatever the linux alternative is?
  • @mujeebcpy ↶ Reply to #6205 #6207 05:59 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    Sure Linux server
  • @mujeebcpy #6208 05:59 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    All super computers are runs on Linux
  • @mujeebcpy #6209 06:00 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    Most of servers are using Linux
  • @tchncs_bot #6210 b o t 06:00 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: Why is all super computers powered by Free Software/Linux? Its not about money.
  • @tchncs_bot #6211 b o t 06:00 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: I understand, and I knew at least one would jump to say it's FOSS and FOSS magic
  • @tchncs_bot #6212 b o t 06:01 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    Pirate 🏴‍☠️ Praveen: Is popularity the only measure of how good a software is?
  • @tchncs_bot #6213 b o t 06:01 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: My point is - I want the best tool/software in the market which is the best to do the said job.
  • @mujeebcpy #6214 06:01 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    Yes. Linux is best in server. Aren't you agree?
  • @tchncs_bot #6215 b o t 06:01 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: And you are clearly opinionated about what the best is. :)
  • @tchncs_bot #6216 b o t 06:01 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: Why is all super computers powered by Free Software/Linux? Its not about monI'm not even commenting. Please, let's both agree it's not to put it out there for FOSS developers to experiment?
  • @mujeebcpy #6217 06:02 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    Even Microsoft is using Linux servers
  • @tchncs_bot #6218 b o t 06:02 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: Which may be true for you, but not for a government that runs on people's money. There are many, many other factors that decide it.
  • @tchncs_bot #6219 b o t 06:02 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: Which have been commented above many times, like ethics, philosophy and security. I really don't want to repeat myself.
  • @tchncs_bot #6220 b o t 06:03 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: Which may be true for you, but not for a government that runs on people's money. There are many, many other factors that decide Yes. The factor is not what's cheap and what's customizable to the core alone.
  • @tchncs_bot #6221 b o t 06:03 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: Unless you have statistical data to prove non-free software is the best and most efficient tool to do a job and we don't have FOSS is the one, FOSS wins on other factors.
  • @tchncs_bot #6222 b o t 06:04 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: s/don't have/don't have data to prove
  • @tchncs_bot #6223 b o t 06:04 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: Unless you have statistical data to prove non-free software is the best and most efficient tool to do a job and we don't have FOSS is the one, FOSS wins on other factoWTF. Seriously? Is it a shame to the FOSS developer community to accept some is simply far more superior than the others?
  • @hacksk ↶ Reply to #6202 #6224 06:04 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    Gov can employ a developer to customise the software with less than they need to pay for proprietary
  • @tchncs_bot #6225 b o t 06:04 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: Prove it!
  • @tchncs_bot #6226 b o t 06:04 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: There are dedicated human/skilled worker hours put into making the said software
  • @tchncs_bot #6227 b o t 06:05 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: Prove I don't have to, so long as FOSS is not provably better.
  • @tchncs_bot #6228 b o t 06:05 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: You think FOSS developers doesn't care about the quality of the software they make?
  • @tchncs_bot #6229 b o t 06:05 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: I'm not saying closed source is better, I'm stating sometimes it needn't be a deciding factor.
  • @tchncs_bot #6230 b o t 06:05 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: You think FOSS developers doesn't care about the quality of the software they maI dunno - GNOME 3.18-3.2 gave so much pain.
  • @tchncs_bot #6231 b o t 06:05 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: Everything breaks once in a while.
  • @tchncs_bot #6232 b o t 06:06 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: Then there are terrorist systems which doesn't even let me install firefox.
  • @tchncs_bot #6233 b o t 06:06 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: How many times are we going to play this? Mac, the one where your precious developers spent hours and hours to polish, gave me great pain. Where's the advantage?
  • @tchncs_bot #6234 b o t 06:07 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: Give me some alternative for Final Cut Pro.
  • @tchncs_bot #6235 b o t 06:07 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: Give me a spotlight search or an equivalent on Linux.
  • @tchncs_bot #6236 b o t 06:07 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: Usability is relative! Hence we fall back to other factors to decide which is better.
  • @tchncs_bot #6237 b o t 06:08 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: jerin: There are graphics designers who switched to Blender and Krita and GIMP because they helped them do their job better - because they could customize it or get someone else to customize it for them.
  • @tchncs_bot #6238 b o t 06:08 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: jerin: There are graphics designers who switched to Blender and Krita and GIMP because they helped them do their job better - because they could customize it or get someone else to customize it for th

    Statistics?
  • @tchncs_bot #6239 b o t 06:08 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: I mean, are you people going to ask me what's the statistics for Final Cut Pro?
  • @tchncs_bot #6240 b o t 06:08 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: Well, you were talking about how GNOME was a pain for "you" . :)
  • @tchncs_bot #6241 b o t 06:09 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    Padding in gnome-terminal

    Given below is my ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css VteTerminal, TerminalScreen { padding: 10px 10px 10px 10px; -VteTerminal-inner-border: 10px 10px 10px 10px; } I was using the ...

  • @tchncs_bot #6242 b o t 06:09 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: Asked Aug, Answered Jan
  • @tchncs_bot #6243 b o t 06:10 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: Tell me a decent mail with message threading on linux?
  • @tchncs_bot #6244 b o t 06:11 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: *e-mail client.
  • @tchncs_bot #6245 b o t 06:11 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: Threading? Most of the major ones do that - thunderbird. Geary even has conversations mode.
  • @tchncs_bot #6246 b o t 06:12 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: I tried geary. It's abandoned, last time I checked.
  • @tchncs_bot #6247 b o t 06:12 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: Thunderbird gets me a plugin - which is a crappy duct tape hack.
  • @tchncs_bot #6248 b o t 06:13 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: On october 2 a new version of geary was released. You call that abandoned?
  • @tchncs_bot #6249 b o t 06:13 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: On the other hand - it lets me integrate with LDAP nicely. I still stayed for a while.
    One day I decided to export LDAP contacts to GMAIL using a script, and haven't left inbox since.
  • @tchncs_bot #6250 b o t 06:13 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: On october 2 a new version of geary was released. You call that abandon_Last time I checked._ And it's still not very mature.
  • @tchncs_bot #6251 b o t 06:14 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: Best.
  • @tchncs_bot #6252 b o t 06:15 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: The point is, just because something is FOSS doesn't make it far superior to competing non-FOSS alternatives.
  • @tchncs_bot #6253 b o t 06:15 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: On certain aspects, it does.
  • @tchncs_bot #6254 b o t 06:16 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: It may be one factor, but being particular with everything being FOSS gets you crippled.
  • @tchncs_bot #6255 b o t 06:18 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    @balasankarc: "may" get you crippled in some cases.
    But using a non-free software gets you crippled definitely because it is defective by design - being non-free is a fundamental flaw that isn't compensated be how shiny and polishy it is. Because freedom matters!
  • @tchncs_bot #6256 b o t 06:19 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: *with everything*? Stop picking on the language. Meh, same old FOSS terrorism.
  • @tchncs_bot #6257 b o t 06:20 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: So, I've deployed Ubuntu Linux on the servers I manage here.
  • @balasankarc #6258 06:20 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    നല്ല നമസ്കാരം. 🙏
  • @tchncs_bot #6259 b o t 06:20 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: Doesn't mean I'm going to let users play around with the software breaking other people's software.
  • @tchncs_bot #6260 b o t 06:21 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: It means, I reserve root/sudo privileges, given I'm technically capable enough.
  • @tchncs_bot #6261 b o t 06:21 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: I'm restricting people's freedom in a way.
  • @tchncs_bot #6262 b o t 06:21 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: I can choose to give anyone the access to do
    sudo ln -s <proper-library> <older-version>
  • @tchncs_bot #6263 b o t 06:21 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: I simply don't.
  • @tchncs_bot #6264 b o t 06:27 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: ^ The point of the above is that finance department staff needn't exactly be bothered what the fuck Free and Open Source Software is and can be presented with better software and hardware using which they can get work done efficiently.
  • @useMPV ↶ Reply to #6235 #6265 07:24 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    GNOME Super Search 😬
  • @mujeebcpy ↶ Reply to #6234 #6266 07:25 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    I use kdenlive for my video tasks. Light work is a professional editing tool, which not free software but works on Linux
  • @mujeebcpy #6267 07:26 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    I'm running a YouTube channel with only using kdenlive
  • @tchncs_bot #6268 b o t 07:27 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin: I don't intend to use any of these, if that's where you're getting st
  • @tchncs_bot #6269 b o t 07:27 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    jerin:
    > Reply to jerin:
    > jerin: Give me a spotlight search or an equivalent on Linux.
    > GNOME Super Search 😬
    What is this? Google search got me nothing
  • @tchncs_bot #6270 b o t 07:27 AM, 25 Dec 2017
    mujeebcpy: That is your problem, not Foss